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05-06 corvette recall
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66elky
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Posted: 05/29/06
10:20 AM
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This Magnesium really has my interest now, (and that's why I'm doing so much research on it) I wonder if that dude's "water-powered car" uses Magnesium to more efficiently burn the water...
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Posted: 05/29/06
10:22 AM
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from what i know he was using electrolysis to split the o2 and hydrogen and it was burning the hydrogen. ohh yeah and with magnesium that's right it can dissipate heat fast, but if you apply enough heat fast enough (oxy acetylene torch 5,000 degrees)it can't dissipate that heat fast enough and will catch fire, that how those trucks caught fire, because they were using a torch to cut the exhaust off them.
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Leon
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Posted: 05/29/06
10:38 AM
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sigh~ do some research! you're not going to set it on fire with a lighter! and it't not going to happen from a spark. GM has their problems, but they're not quite stupid enough to put something that starts a huge explosion from a tiny spark. If you cut it down to tiny pieces, it might make a pretty nice fire.
*is pissed because he made a huge post about this and the stupid forum didn't post it*
The more I look into it, the more I'm convinced that this isn't some huge fire waiting to happen.
GM has been making the corvette for over 50 years, and it's almost always been the best sports car. you can name the number of years that it wasn't much good on one hand.
Do some research!? I know what I'm talking about. Magnesium alone can be lit with a lighter. And I know what I'm talking about, because I've seen a science teacher do it two feet away from me with a regular lighter, and that stuff does light easily. So you do your research... Before firing off on me, read more carefully and look into what I said, and until you get your facts straight, then you can try and correct me and fire back on me... It's bad enough when you try and correct someone who obviously knows, but it's worse when you don't know what you are talking about.
As for sparks, I don't know. Never tried it. But I assume it could happen with a rather large spark. And mag doesn't really explode either... It burns as a bright white light. We had to wear special eye equipment because it burns so bright.
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66elky
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Posted: 05/29/06
10:53 AM
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I've read your post. you said that it will burn with a lighter. I said it will burn with a lighter...if you burn a small enough piece. now, how big, and heavy was this chunk of magnesium that your teacher so easily burned with a lighter? I assume it was a *really* small piece, am I right?
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Posted: 05/29/06
10:54 AM
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one other then the magnesium used in the corvette is AE44 alloy its not pure it s new high temp low creep alloy because magnesium in pure form has a couple of problems one the fire thing and next when you tighten it down, it wants to move away from the pressure as does aluminum and that over time will loosen bolts, on a side note, for a while they were using aluminum in home wiring but it was creeping away from the hold down in the electrical boxes causing sparks and home fires, they went back to copper after that.
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Leon
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Posted: 05/30/06
06:57 PM
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I've read your post. you said that it will burn with a lighter. I said it will burn with a lighter...if you burn a small enough piece. now, how big, and heavy was this chunk of magnesium that your teacher so easily burned with a lighter? I assume it was a *really* small piece, am I right?
You know. You're not funny. We weren't even talking about size, so don't even change this so it's in your favor... It's so bad when you can't even accept being wrong. But to make you happy it was about 6 inches if you think that's small... And no matter how big or small it is, it will still burn with a lighter... So sorry, you're still wrong... And it wasn't my science teacher. It was a sience teacher that I just happen to know...
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Posted: 05/30/06
07:19 PM
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easy now... If large pieces of Magnesium were so easy to burn, Volkswagen would not have made the blocks for their air cooled engines out of the material. Even the early Porsche 911 engines were made of the stuff. Like was mentioned above, it is all about heat disappation. If you could get paper to disappate heat, it would not burn either.
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FN01R-C
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Posted: 05/30/06
08:39 PM
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do you realize what you are arguing about? who cares if it burns with a lighter or not, no reason to get into a heated battle, just agree to disagree.
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66elky
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Posted: 05/30/06
09:16 PM
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who cares? I do, as well as everyone else who owns a corvette or plans to get one. and this is a situation not about opinion, so then there is a right person and a wrong" person, either it lights on fire with a lighter or not. I say a huge chunk of magnesium won't burn with a lighter (I've even provided links to sites about it), and I'm right. The wrong person should grow up and just admit it.
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FN01R-C
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Posted: 05/30/06
11:08 PM
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i'm not saying you shouldn't fight to defend your stance, and i dont want to take sides because leon is at just as much fault as you are, but have you ever thought that you could possibly be the wrong person? i think we should just let it go.
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Posted: 05/31/06
03:47 AM
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As safety concious as the US is (mostly due to litigation) I really doubt that GM would build a car out of a highly flammable substance.
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0m3g4
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Posted: 05/31/06
01:27 PM
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Mental Note: If you have a flat tire, make sure you're not driving down the road on magnesium rims...
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Posted: 05/31/06
02:11 PM
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lets just say it like this, pure magnesium in ribbon, powder or saving form can be lighted with a lighter. like i said before the magnesium used in cars is a alloy so its got a higher temp and its one big piece but you don't want to use a torch or plasma cutter around that thing because there is a really good chace that it will catch on fire.
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Posted: 05/31/06
04:42 PM
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You think GM would learn by now, especially on its baby, the Corvette. There are adhesives on the market that are so strong that if you bound two steel I-beams together and tried to pull them apart, the I-beams would rip apart instead of the adhesive joint. That's probably not the glue to use in the Corvette's case, but considering there are adhesives that strong out there, Chevy could have at least invested in some heavier-duty stuff. I guess the weakening adhesive is something that happens over time, since I thought it would have been caught during wind tunnel tests.
The forum member formerly known as GTFan018
1995 Saab 900S 2.3L (Going autocrossing August 5th!)
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Posted: 05/31/06
05:06 PM
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could be any number of things. As construction of the Vette is more limited than say the Cobalt.. you could have had one person who was not fully aware of how to apply the adhesive on the assembly line... or it could have been a bad batch of adhesive from the company that makes it.
I doubt we will ever really know.
As for the magnesium debate. I look at it this way. When Fiat and Abarth brought out the Fiat Abarth 124 Spider Stradale (the rally car) they had crommadora make some special rims for the car. lightweight, four spoke rims.. the CD-30 that most fiat Fanatics want. They were made of a magnesium allow.
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